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Database - Thoughts on the public domain argument

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Re: Database - Thoughts on the public domain argument

From: solor8008 (sjgallant@hotmail.com) | Date: 2003-08-13 11:27:08 UTC
Just chiming in with a thought on this,

While you are probably *technically* correct about the public domain
argument, it seems to go against the whole grain of the "letterboxing
spirit" if indeed there is one. To me, this mean mutual respect for
each other and the desire to communicate and share thoughts and stamp
images. After all, what happens to the box log book when it's full?
The placer takes it home, (hopefully) replaces it, and perhaps takes
enjoyment from reading the comments and seeing the personal stamps of
all who have visited.

It's easy to say "well you made it public so now we can do what we
want with it" but then it's just as easy for people like the Drew
Clan and others to simply withdraw all their boxes and not
participate. This is a lose-lose situation for all. The U.S.A. is a
bit bigger than the Dartmoor area geographically (purposeful
understatement) so hence we all communicate primarily electronically.
But I don't think this means we necessarily have to ignore the basic
respect we could have for one another.

I like to think of this list rather like a big pub on the edge of the
moors...a loud raucous place with people arguing, discussing, giving
tips, asking questions, and (probably) getting tipsy on occasion. The
analogy to the original hobby is still alive and kicking if you look
hard enough.

Just some random thoughts, spewed onto my keyboard. :)

Solor

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Nail Family"
wrote:
> Ms Alafair,
> With all due respect to you who has been a benefactor to the Nail
> Family, I would like to express my opinion on the matter of a
> database.
>
> In my opinion, if a box placer does not want his/her boxes to be
> subject to sit-reps, database reports, spoilers and the like, then
> that person should not make the clues public. I believe that I
have
> a right to express my exprerience in a public forum and if the
boxes
> I have found have been made available to me by a public forum then
I
> have every right to report on them as I experience them, whether
> found or not, whether I am correct in assuming missing or not. I
> have the respect to not report a box as absolutely missing and I
> also have the wisdom to not spoil a location, especially a mystery
> one.
>
> If I, as a box creator and placer, do not want my creations subject
> to such reports I can limit who has access to the clues. This will
> limit the number of people who will find the boxes but it will also
> give me some control over that aspect. It also adds to the
mystique
> of the sport in some cases.
>
> This is the risk in having boxes available to the general public:
> public knowledge-public access.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
> Nailhead
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Alafair" wrote:
> > Though I have not read the contents of the database, I have read
> the
> > comments on the list with respect to its pros and cons.


Re: Database - Thoughts on the public domain argument

From: Nail Family (c.nail@attbi.com) | Date: 2003-08-14 02:58:09 UTC
I had a very well thought out and very eloquent reply to this post
but I took too long and the connection timed out. :0)

I will just say this, I agree it is a shame that such pioneers as
the Drew Clan have left. I know of others who have been actually
banished for what others percieve as intentions contrary to popular
opinion. And I know, personally, another prominent boxer who was
almost removed due to him sharing his opinions of what makes a good,
fair, and what he termed crappy stamp. Feelings are getting hurt
over plastic and rubber, this is crazy.

I hold that my creations are mine to release. I post my clues for
all to use. I am ok with whatever someone says about them whether
good, bad, indiferent or even malicious. It is just plastic and
rubber, not life and death.

If others desire to not have their creations subject to public
discussion then they have two choices. They can either not
distribute them publicly (still they risk someone divulging
information even when they hand distribute them--betrayal is nothing
new in this world) or they can simply ask that those accessing their
boxes not put any information on the public sites. Those who choose
to keep them public but ask for their clues to be kept out of
discussions must trust that those who do access them will abide by
their wishes. If they dont, that is too bad, it is the risk.

I will abide by anyone's wishes to keep their boxes out of
discussions. I will not knowingly divulge any information about any
boxes where the clue writer asks for them to be withheld. I will
respect all owners wishes if they are known to me. I would ask that
all others abide by such wishes too. I would also ask, however,
that no one deride someone who does not abide by these wishes but to
rather send them a message off list and advise them that the creator
has asked to not have such information made public. In my early
letterboxing months someone did such a favor to me when I posted a
message that got close to revealing a mystery location. I was
grateful for the respectful rebuke off list and have since chosen my
posts very carefully. Perhaps if others would be so quick to
forgive and slow to judge we could all get back to the fun of boxing
and not get our feelings hurt so easily.

The discussion, however, is good for the sport. I would encourage
this discussion to continue. This is truly a growing pain and we
all know that there is no gain without pain. Keep the talk flowing
but lets all agree to not get too emotional and steel our feelings
to accept those who ask FAQ questions, post spoilers, get a little
touchy themselves about an issue close to their heart, or just plain
act stupidly whether they be the greenest newbie or the most finger
stained veteran. IT IS JUST PLASTIC AND RUBBER!!

I will gladly accept any responses and will not flame anyone.
Promise.

humbly,
Nailhead


Re: Database - Thoughts on the public domain argument

From: ehughes52 (libby@twcny.rr.com) | Date: 2003-08-14 06:35:30 UTC
Nailhead, your humble words will be my "letterboxer's scouts" pledge,
copied directly from your post #31806:

-I will abide by anyone's wishes to keep their boxes out of discussions.
-I will not knowingly divulge any information about any boxes where
the clue writer asks for them to be withheld.
-I will respect all owners wishes if they are known to me.
-I would ask that all others abide by such wishes too.
-I would also ask, however, that no one deride someone who does not
abide by these wishes but to rather send them a message off list and
advise them that the creator has asked to not have such information
made public.
-In my early letterboxing months someone did such a favor to me when I
posted a message that got close to revealing a mystery location. I was
grateful for the respectful rebuke off list and have since chosen my
posts very carefully. Perhaps if others would be so quick to
forgive and slow to judge we could all get back to the fun of boxing
and not get our feelings hurt so easily.


Thanks,
catbead